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Several editors have been moving/discussing whether Influencer or Social media influencer is the proper page name

I created this page and moved it to article space on December 2 at Influencer. It has moved to Social media influencer and back and forth since. Discussion on the talk page suggests that a consensus has not been properly achieved and that the article should be nominated properly at RM. However, I believe an admin is needed to properly restore the page to its original location before commencing a formal RM discussion. Can we get some help in relocating the page in order to commence an RM.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:03, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To be clear, I just need someone to move Social media influencer back to Influencer, so that we can properly consider the page name as a RM nomination.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved

-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:09, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

When to do the actual move?

There are two details I noticed that Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions doesn't cover:

  1. "Write a clear, concise closing statement" explains how to write the closing statement, but not what to do with it. It should be put after the RESULT in subst:RM, not added as a comment below the discussion before the discussion is closed, right?
  2. "Moving procedures" says nothing about performing the actual move itself! Presumably it be done after closing the discussion with result "Moved," not before, but noting the specific step in these instructions would be helpful.

I'll leave it to someone who's more familiar with the process to update the instructions (if desired), or I'll update them later myself if no one objects. - Brian Kendig (talk) 02:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good points / questions. For the first one, the reason has always traditionally been placed inside of the template. There have been some rare exceptions, but I have also noticed a new newer closers making this mistake -- but you would hope that before someone jumps in to do NAC that they are very experienced as a contributor and see what proper closes look like. To the second point, that is often but not always the case, sometimes when someone is doing a NAC they lack the permissions to actually perform the move, so what they do is close the discussion and then raise it over at WP:RM/TR so that an admin can just do the move without having to do the dirty work of determining consensus and closing discussions. TiggerJay (talk) 19:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The second paragraph of Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions § Closing the requested move specifically uses {{subst:RM top|result of the discussion.}} as what to do (unless I'm misinterpreting your concern from #1). Primefac (talk) 16:02, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting

Has anyone else noticed the number of requests that have been relisted has gone up a lot these last few months. There are 116 relisted requests today. Compare that to 82 on this same day last year [1] and 43 two years ago [2]. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 15:41, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think there is a combination of factors, including a higher number of both contentious moves, as well as a number of undiscussed requests that is triggering this. Coupled with the number of recent BADNAC as made even experienced NAC movers cautious. It's been a few years since I was an active page mover and so much has changed that I'm still only comfortable with !voting until I get all of the changes and perspectives updated in my thought process... But I might just have to jump in sooner than latter. TiggerJay (talk) 19:17, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have noticed that plenty of recently backlogged RMs have no comments at all, or very few comments. While it is within policy to close such discussions, I have noticed a tendency to wait and give it another round of relisting to attempt to improve participation. Frequent relisting might also be a reason for a vicious cycle that causes too many open requests at once, reducing overall RM participation. The last systematic study about duration of open RMs was probably Wikipedia talk:Requested moves/Archive 34#Size of RM backlog over time by Colin M almost 3 years ago. And situation may have declined since that time. RMCD bot's table list shows 154 RMs to be less or equal to 7 days old and 141 RMs to be open for more than 7 days. It seems that number of RMs opened has also seen a slight increase recently, and the overall number of open discussions older than 1 week has decreased, but the number of discussions open for even longer has increased quite significantly. I see that somewhat contentious discussions as old as 10-20 or more days lay idle in backlog section without a close. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 21:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How long do Uncontroversial technical requests take?

I have a Uncontroversial technical move request on the 126th Armed Police Mobile Division (People's Republic of China), may I ask on average how long does a uncontroversial technical move request take? Thehistorianisaac (talk) 06:53, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Noting first that this was enacted about two hours after this post was made, but second that requests are usually handled with 24-48 hours. Patience is a good thing sometimes. Primefac (talk) 10:31, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah I understand. Just wanted to ask in case I ever need to make another one. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 10:36, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorting

Would it be useful and practical to implement move request sorting comparable to deletion sorting? Largoplazo (talk) 00:38, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Move Spinabenz (rapper) to Spinabenz

The "Spinabenz" link opens to his single "Who I Smoke" and I can't have the title of the article as "Spinabenz". Now that I made an article for this artist I believe that it shouldn't redirect to his single and I should be able to change it to his artist name without adding "(rapper)" Martinm23forever (talk) 03:27, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Donald Albury 15:37, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Malformed requested move

Cinderella157 correctly points out that this move request I started is malformed. I proposed a move of Israel-Hamas war to Gaza War (a page that already exists) without clearly stating the existing page should become Gaza War (disambiguation). That's clearly my mistake. What should I do:

  • restart the RM with a correctly formed RM
  • modify the RM and ping all !votes below notifying them of the change and inviting them to modify their !vote at their discretion (this is my preferred option)
  • leave a comment in the RM requesting that, should the RM succeed, Gaza war should be moved to Gaza war (disambiguation), ping all existing !votes in that comment, and presume future !votes will see that comment.

VR (Please ping on reply) 02:50, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

While technically not complete, I think the assumption the user states that the old title will go to (disambiguation) is reasonable, so it can just be added as an additional line under the first move indicator. I would then add a comment indicating that you have updated the nomination to correct the oversight. I don't think you necessarily need to ping those who have already commented, but you can if you wish. Primefac (talk) 08:02, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I've done this. If incorrect, let me know.VR (Please ping on reply) 08:19, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NOTOTHERPAGES states "Generally, a move request on whether to move X to Y should have no impact on page Z's title".
In our case, X is Israel–Hamas war (article page), Y is Gaza War (disambiguation page), Z is Gaza War (disambiguation) (redirect page). RM made clear that X and Y are affected. Y page has been promptly notified at the start by RMCD Bot. Z is subject to G6 speedy deletion to allow Y to Z move. RM is not malformed. Kenneth Kho (talk) 08:16, 19 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Objecting to a technical request

Requesting clarification from editor(s) regarding contesting a technical request for a page move based on available information:

"If you object to a proposal listed in the uncontroversial technical requests section, please move the request to the Contested technical requests section, append a note on the request elaborating on why, (...)" (original emphasis)

Does it require objection to the proposed move, or can/should requests be categorised as contested without the need to oppose the move in question; on the basis that the move is controversial by default, such as moving articles to primary topic?

This is in relation to Requested move 20 January 2025. I am asking here for UNINVOLVED opinion, as there is no point going round in circles arguing the same procedural points with 162 etc. given our different of opinion. This also concerns more broadly the contesting at RMTR, and this dispute has little to do with the RM in question at this point, so I believe this discussion is better redirected to here.

Personally I believe this should be a procedural close with the page moved, or otherwise re-listed at RMTR, based on the rationale for contesting " I do not oppose or support the proposed move. I do object to the article being moved uncontroversially.". 162 etc. can clarify if I am misrepresenting or misunderstanding this reasoning, but it seems I'm not the only one to question it either.

PS: Feel free to apply boomerang if you feel it necessary based on the discussion. CNC (talk) 19:29, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I can't see any reason you shouldn't be able to object to an undiscussed move on the grounds that you think a more detailed discussion is required, as long as you're not being disruptive. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:34, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is this not just WP:BURO? As if the page had been moved, it wouldn't have been reverted based on lack of opposition (so far at least). RMTR is also for reverting undiscussed page moves as a fall back. I've seen controversial page moves occur before and reverted at RMTR, so unless the reason is to reduce RMTR requests, I'm struggling to understand the logic here. CNC (talk) 19:50, 20 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
My concern here is not so much BURO as the bots changing links subsequent to a move. If it turns out to be controversial and reverted after the bot run, you may be left with A Lovely Mess to clean up. I'd rather have the discussion ahead of time and avoid the subsequent cleanup. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:38, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A technical request that is potentially controversial should be opened for discussion. It's fine to contest a request without disagreeing with it. SilverLocust 💬 04:14, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for referencing, I now realise PCM covers this given the theoretical, and subjective application. I was going by BOLDMOVE documentation with it's more liberal wording, but evidently that doesn't apply here. For further clarity, does this mean that moving a page using page mover rights should be done respecting PCM or BOLDMOVE? I looked through PGM and didn't find any immediate clarity. Finally, it'd be worth having a link to PCM from RMTR, as then I would found this sooner. I didn't think to check that section as based on bold move I wasn't aware I was requesting a potentially controversial move. Thanks again. CNC (talk) 06:46, 21 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The current situation is confusing and frustrating indeed. If you contest a technical request at all (whether you actively oppose it or not), you should use the "discuss" link (or remove the entry if the requester opted it out), not start an impromptu RM on the page. The section "Contested technical requests" should be removed and replies prohibited. Nardog (talk) 23:33, 22 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Concerning numerous page moves

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Talk:Gaza war regarding moving dozens of child articles. Any suggestions or feedback on how best to proceed would be appreciated (RM/RMUM/RMTR)? Included is a list of all "Israel–Hamas war" titled articles. The thread is Related pages, templates, and categories. The discussion is about the topic Gaza war. Thank you. CNC (talk) 15:32, 28 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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